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EdithWatts

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WHY ARE WE TAXED SO MUCH?

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As we celebrate Labor Day, we are reminded of the inherent dignity of work and the American worker. In America, we honor grit. We honor determination. We honor craftsmanship. And we honor the men and women who turn dreams into reality with their own two hands. 

Earlier this year, I traveled to Wisconsin to sign the Buy American and Hire American executive order. With that action, we sent a powerful signal to the world that we are going to defend our workers, protect our jobs and put America first.

Today, the hopes and dreams of American workers and their families remain a top priority for my administration. That is why we are launching efforts to reduce the crushing tax burden that is harming our companies and our workers.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/09/03/trump-we-must-fix-our-self-destructive-tax-code/629158001/

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Taxes are the price you pay for freedom.
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FEDS COLLECT RECORD TAXES...

STILL RUN DEFICIT...


104-year history of income tax...   and only staggering debt to show for it!
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JUST THOUGHT I WOULD ADD A LITTLE HUMOR. (IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT.

I HAVE PUT THIS ON HERE BEFORE.


At first I thought this was funny...
then I realized the awful truth of it.
Be sure to read all the way to the end!

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin ,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.
Put these words
upon his tomb,
" Taxes drove me to my doom..."

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Teleph one Fe deral, State a nd Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt,
had the largest middle class in the world ,
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What the hell happened? Can you spell "politicians!"

And I still have to "press 1"
for English.




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Taxes in America

By Bob Barney

Here is my promised treatise on the way taxes ought to be raised by the federal, state and local governments. My ideas will shock many, and even more will think that they don't work, but ironically most of these ideas DID work in the past. Read my ideas and think about them... Please post your ideas.


A short history of taxes:

Egyptian Pharaohs, like modern leaders had tax collectors known as scribes.  In the course of time, the scribes imposed a tax on cooking oil.  To ensure that citizens were paying the cooking oil tax scribes would audit homes to ensure that proper quantities of cooking oil were consumed and that people were not using yeast and other leavenings generated by other cooking processes as a substitute for the taxed oil.


        The earliest taxes in Rome were customs' duties on imports and exports. Caesar Augustus was considered by scholars to be the most clever tax strategist of the Roman Empire.  During his reign, the earlier taxes were virtually eliminated.  Augustus instead made the cities that were given the responsibility for collecting taxes.   Augustus established an inheritance tax to provide retirement funds for the military.  The tax was 5 percent on all inheritances except gifts to children and spouses.   The English and Dutch referred to the inheritance tax of Augustus in developing their own inheritance taxes. During Julius Caesar's reign, a 1 percent sales tax was imposed.  During the time of Caesar Augustus, the sales tax was 4 percent for slaves and 1 percent for everything else.


God had a simpler tax plan based on income. Everyone was ordered to pay a “tithe” or 10% of the increase of their wealth, be it in animals or anything of value. For example, if you had 100 sheep one year and next year had 150, then your increase was 50 sheep, in which 5 of them were to be given to the Temple or the priests as your tax. That paid for all social welfare and religious expenses. Kings often levied taxes on goods and services, as well as tariffs on imports. A governments greatest wealth was probably from the plunder of their enemies more than taxing their own population which was never popular!

        The first income tax suggested in the United States was during the War of 1812. The tax was based on the British Tax Act of 1798 and applied progressive rates to income. The rates were .08% on income above £60 and 10 percent on income above £200. The tax was developed in 1814 but was never imposed because the treaty of Ghent was signed in 1815 ending hostilities and the need for additional revenue.



        Property taxes were a hand down from England. In 1796 seven of the fifteen states levied uniform capitation taxes. Twelve taxed some or all livestock. Land was taxed in a variety of ways, but only four states taxed the mass of property by valuation. No state constitution required that taxation be by value or required that rates on all kinds of property be uniform. In 1818, Illinois adopted the first uniformity clause. Missouri followed in 1820, and in 1834 Tennessee replaced a provision requiring that land be taxed at a uniform amount per acre with a provision that land be taxed according to its value (ad valorem). By the end of the century thirty-three states had included uniformity clauses in new constitutions or had amended old ones to include the requirement that all property be taxed equally by value. A number of other states enacted uniformity statutes requiring that all property be taxed. Table 1 summarizes this history.

Table 1 Nineteenth-Century Uniformity Provisions

(first appearance in state constitutions)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                       

 

               
                       

Year

               
                       

Universality Provision

               
                       

Illinois

               
                       

1818

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Missouri

               
                       

1820

               
                       

 No

               
                       

*Tennessee1

               
                       

1834

               
                       

Yes2

               
                       

Arkansas

               
                       

1836

               
                       

 No

               
                       

Florida

               
                       

1838

               
                       

 No

               
                       

*Louisiana

               
                       

1845

               
                       

 No

               
                       

Texas

               
                       

1845

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Wisconsin

               
                       

1848

               
                       

 No

               
                       

California

               
                       

1849

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

*Michigan3

               
                       

1850

               
                       

 No

               
                       

*Virginia

               
                       

1850

               
                       

Yes4

               
                       

Indiana

               
                       

1851

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

*Ohio

               
                       

1851

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Minnesota

               
                       

1857

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Kansas

               
                       

1859

               
                       

 No

               
                       

Oregon

               
                       

1859

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

West Virginia

               
                       

1863

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Nevada

               
                       

1864

               
                       

Yes5

               
                       

*South Carolina

               
                       

1865

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

*Georgia

               
                       

1868

               
                       

 No

               
                       

*North Carolina

               
                       

1868

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

*Mississippi

               
                       

1869

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

*Maine

               
                       

1875

               
                       

  No

               
                       

*Nebraska

               
                       

1875

               
                       

  No

               
                       

*New Jersey

               
                       

1875

               
                       

  No

               
                       

Montana

               
                       

1889

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

North Dakota

               
                       

1889

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

South Dakota

               
                       

1889

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Washington

               
                       

1889

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Idaho6

               
                       

1890

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Wyoming

               
                       

1890

               
                       

 No

               
                       

*Kentucky

               
                       

1891

               
                       

Yes

               
                       

Utah

               
                       

1896

               
                       

Yes

               

                *Indicates amendment or revised constitution.

1. The Tennessee constitution of 1796 included a unique provision requiring taxation of land to be uniform per 100 acres.
2. One thousand dollars of personal property and the products of the soil in the hands of the original producer were exempt in Tennessee.
3. The Michigan provision required that the legislature provide a uniform rule of taxation except for property paying specific taxes.
4. Except for taxes on slaves.
5. Nevada exempted mining claims.
6. One provision in Idaho requires uniformity as to class, another seems to prescribe uniform taxation.
Source: Fisher (1996) 57

SOURCE: http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/fisher.property.tax.history.us


My Take:

        God has the best tax plan in His coming theocracy, namely an income tax based on increased wealth. A flat income tax. Out of that, all monies are raised. Every several years a second “tithe” is also to be levied. I'll leave this for a later time. The United States is not a theocracy. We are a democratic republic, a fact most overlook or don't know. My ideas have some, but not mainly early American thought behind it. I believe that what you own is yours, and thus, except for God, can not be taxed by any secular government. After all, if you own it, then the government has no right to tax it! They can only tax the things you use that THEY own. And they own plenty. In fact, they own far more than any company or person could ever wish for.


        Local and state governments:

                Towns and cities should arrive their taxes as use taxes. They own the roads. Whatever they spend each year on roads should be levied equally among the townspeople. Any state roads, would be under the state control and they levee taxes either by tolls or an equally shared state road tax. In modern America, the simplest way to do both town and state tax would to have a gasoline (fuel) tax were all the monies needed are collected. The Federal government COULD NOT collect a gasoline tax. The tax rate would vary from year to year. Schools again can raise their tax money in 2 ways. Each student pay a tuition, and again a local and statewide tax school tax based on retail purchases (a sales tax). This state sales tax could fund everything that a state needed. Again the rate would vary from year to year. Income taxes would be abolished at the local, state and federal level.



                The Federal Govt:

        The USA should raise all the money that they need to operate on usage taxes, tariffs and fees collected from the states for the armed forces and national defense. All Federal highways should be taxed by the mile and by the axle. This could be done in 2 ways, decided by Congress. A national sales tax on gasoline (which I would not favor) or tolls on the highways using GPS data, or for those who want to protect their privacy, a yearly highway use tax at the maximum rate per vehicle. This means, if you don't want to itemize you mileage, the government will charge a very high flat fee to use their highways without proving your mileage. This would be similar to the standard, versus itemized deduction. The federal government should spend no money on welfare, schools or anything in which the states have the obligation to provide.


        More money could be collected from tolls for using parks, public lands, public oil leases, the waterways and seaports. China would be paying a port tax on every ship they send over here.



I know there are flaws, and much more investigation is needed, but if we are to stay as the #1 powerhouse in the world, we have to reevaluate taxation, welfare, social security and medical coverage. If most taxes were abolished, the wealth of individuals in this country would go through the roof.


What's your ideas?


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