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"and the evening and the morning were the first day." The morning is not the day, it is the exact time when dawn breaks. The Bible doesn't say the 'evening and the day' were the first day. God does His creation work is during the daytime. Then comes evening, then comes morning, THE END of the 24 hour day. Then the next day begins and God starts His work again. Stops at evening, until morning the second day. FOR A MUCH LONGER and better argument:

http://books.google.com/books?id=A42yVk8kj8kC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=roland+de+vaux+ancient+israel+morning+days&source=bl&ots=FlbA80jjo2&sig=L6HMfpdFNxij6mlr3g02T8SwGMA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Roland De Vaux is the expert of experts on Ancient Israel. A Catholic scholar, one of only a few to ever touch the Dead Sea scrolls and he proves beyond any doubt that Israel followed a morning day UNTIL their captivity in Babylon, when they changed their calendar to the pagan Babylonian Calendar (look at some of the names of Jewish months! I.E.- Tammuz!(Nimrod)). We see constantly in the Book of John the terms "sons of light" (those who followed a morning day) and sons of darkness (those who followed the pagan evening day that Jews follow to this day. The Essenses followed the morning day, by the way. They were correct in calendar and in the day. The Jewish calendar is also totally pagan. IT IS NOT THE CALENDAR of the Bible! The Bible calendar has only 12 - 30 day months! You will never see a 13th month. In the 42 months (Revel) prophecy. We see that 3-1/2 years = 42 months= 1260 days. The Jewish calendar has a 13th month every three years, so John's prohecy would have 43 months, not 42 if he was following a Jewish calendar!

One last point, the Book of John proves that Jesus was following a morning day. The girls get to the tomb just at the end of the Sabbath towards dawn ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! It was still dark, just as it is early in the morning. Now one can say that the 1st day really was already 12 hours old, but the other gospels even say "as it was dawning on the first day of the week." But that is not all. Read CAREFULLY Jhn 20:19 "                 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you." Did you notice that Sunday NIGHT in the dark, John still calls it the first day of the week --- SUNDAY! If the day began in the evening, then it would have been Monday, the second day of the week! Right?

JESUS DID NOT RAISE TO LIFE ON SUNDAY --- He was already long gone Saturday at twilight! It was still the Sabbath. JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON HIS DAY--- The Sabbath! An empty tomb was found on Sunday!
 
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Ok, I got the Sabbath days, or any day for that matter, and when they actually begin. Now, another question.
 
Since the Jewish calendar is wrong, then so would the date of Passover be wrong according to my store bought calendar. Can you tell me when Passover actually is this year?

Is there a good site to learn about the feasts and festivals of the OT, and their actual days of celebration??????


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Ok.... so I took a shower after posting my previous post, and while showering, I was running over what Bob said about the Bible saying 'morning' and not 'day'. Now I get it. (*smacks forehead!)

God didn't do His work during the night time, just like Bob said! The day, if it was from evening to daybreak is about 12 hours, and purely dark, something that God is not about since He is all Light. Everything is about following the Light in respect to God, why would He want worship during the darkest hours of the day?? Soooooo.... a day would have to begin at daybreak, and end in the evening... (or right before daybreak the next day). I guess one has to read with common sense too. And, when you patch it with the NT ways, it makes sense even more.

Now I get it. Thanks so much and even more so for your patience. Sometimes I feel like a kindergartener just learning her letters!!

You make it easy to understand, Bob. Thank you.


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Originally Posted by BobBarney
"and the evening and the morning were the first day." The morning is not the day, it is the exact time when dawn breaks. The Bible doesn't say the 'evening and the day' were the first day. God does His creation work is during the daytime. Then comes evening, then comes morning, THE END of the 24 hour day. Then the next day begins and God starts His work again. Stops at evening, until morning the second day. FOR A MUCH LONGER and better argument:

http://books.google.com/books?id=A42yVk8kj8kC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=roland+de+vaux+ancient+israel+morning+days&source=bl&ots=FlbA80jjo2&sig=L6HMfpdFNxij6mlr3g02T8SwGMA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result

Roland De Vaux is the expert of experts on Ancient Israel. A Catholic scholar, one of only a few to ever touch the Dead Sea scrolls and he proves beyond any doubt that Israel followed a morning day UNTIL their captivity in Babylon, when they changed their calendar to the pagan Babylonian Calendar (look at some of the names of Jewish months! I.E.- Tammuz!(Nimrod)). We see constantly in the Book of John the terms "sons of light" (those who followed a morning day) and sons of darkness (those who followed the pagan evening day that Jews follow to this day. The Essenses followed the morning day, by the way. They were correct in calendar and in the day. The Jewish calendar is also totally pagan. IT IS NOT THE CALENDAR of the Bible! The Bible calendar has only 12 - 30 day months! You will never see a 13th month. In the 42 months (Revel) prophecy. We see that 3-1/2 years = 42 months= 1260 days. The Jewish calendar has a 13th month every three years, so John's prohecy would have 43 months, not 42 if he was following a Jewish calendar!

One last point, the Book of John proves that Jesus was following a morning day. The girls get to the tomb just at the end of the Sabbath towards dawn ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! It was still dark, just as it is early in the morning. Now one can say that the 1st day really was already 12 hours old, but the other gospels even say "as it was dawning on the first day of the week." But that is not all. Read CAREFULLY Jhn 20:19 " Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you." Did you notice that Sunday NIGHT in the dark, John still calls it the first day of the week --- SUNDAY! If the day began in the evening, then it would have been Monday, the second day of the week! Right?

JESUS DID NOT RAISE TO LIFE ON SUNDAY --- He was already long gone Saturday at twilight! It was still the Sabbath. JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON HIS DAY--- The Sabbath! An empty tomb was found on Sunday!


See, I knew I was missing something. I will read that link you provided. Trying to read the Bible as it is written is still a little confusing, because to me, still, the bible does say, and the evening and the morning were the first day......and He did start in a world void and full of darkness. And of course, I missed the days in the NT... as the verses there would shed some "light" on the matter. (pun intended!)
 
Of course, that would mean, now that I look at it, that an actual day according to Gen 1:5 would start at sundown (evening), and end at sun-up, clearly this can't be the case, as that's only 12 or so hours.
 
Thanks again Bob!!



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Hopefully, you will read my comments on this here. The Sabbath starts Saturday morning. The Armstrong's were wrong. They made the same mistake they warned everyone else not to do. That was follow tradition and not the Bible! They assumed the Jews had it right. They do not! The Jews have been really following the Babylonian day and calendar IN ERROR!

Read what I have to say, and ask me any questions.


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Ok Bob, I'm lost...lol (imagine that!)
 
Your email to me said:
 
I know you are itching over the Morning day concept. Read Genesis chapter 1. When did each day begin and end? Think it out, and don't use commentaries to tell you that the Bible means something else! God said 'Let there be light'. Does the light start at evening time? Then God did the creating during the light of each day. Then came evening, THEN CAME MORNING THE FIRST DAY! When did day 1 end? It's as plain as the words in your Bible!

So, to me, in the beginning, the world was dark and void. "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep." Gen 1:2


So to me, then, God was working in the dark, at first. And then He said:
 
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Gen 1:3
 
Then He divided the day from dark and He liked the light. Then in verse 5 we read:

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Gen 1:5
 
I am still coming up with the 'evening and the morning were the first day'. Unless it is written in another version other than the KJV, to me that plainly says that the day began the night before, at sundown, and ends at sundown.
 
What am I missing? The only way I can think of as the day begins in the morning is that the wording is backwards. Instead of reading "and the evening and the morning were one day" it should read "and the morning and the evening were one day". BUT...it doesn't so where do we look to understand the morning-evening day?


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Hi!! Another Bible question!

Bob, in one of our emails we discussed the Sabbath and when it actually began. You said that it is clear that the 'day' begins in the morning', not the evening, as in the Jewish custom. However, in reading someone's post on another site about the Sabbath, I was going to show them the verses where God ordained a day that begins in the morning. All I could find was:

 
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Gen 1:5)"
 
Wouldn't that be the night before and the morning 'of the day' be considered the time on the Sabbath to worship God??
 
Just curious! Thanks soooo much!!!

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