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Don't like it move!  I left California several years ago.
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High-Tax States Make It Hard for the Rich to Leave

It seems even if you move away from New York or California to another state, their tax men won't go way!   Interesting story of how some have moved, been sued and WON!

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Dear Mrs. Miller:

 

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding cap and trade legislation. It is good to hear from you. I share your concern, and I am pleased to inform you that I recently voted against this legislation.

  

As you know, Congress has been debating legislation, H.R. 2454, that would cap the amount of carbon dioxide, and other greenhouse gases, that can be emitted. This "cap and trade" legislation, more appropriately called "cap and tax", was introduced by Representative Henry Waxman of California, and would ration any emissions that produce carbon dioxide.  Essentially, the federal government would set a cap on total carbon dioxide emissions and companies who emit too much carbon dioxide will be taxed by the federal government. 

 

Moving into a cap and tax system will place the United States economy at a distinct competitive disadvantage because it would place significant additional costs on American businesses and manufacturers. Cap and tax would not only apply to traditional energy producers. Other domestic industries like paper, cement, fertilizer, steel, and glass manufacturers and many others also worry that increased cost burdens imposed by cap and tax laws will put them at a severe competitive disadvantage compared to their international peers.  Even Energy Secretary Chu stated at a congressional hearing, "If other countries don't impose a cost on carbon, then we will be at a disadvantage."

 

This legislation will impose 397 new federal regulations that require traditional agency rulemakings. This legislation could so hamper the ability of companies to operate competitively in the United States, that they would be forced to move those jobs overseas to locations with fewer regulatory burdens. Various estimates suggest anywhere from 1.8 million to 7 million Americans could lose their jobs. Moving these jobs overseas would hurt not only our economy, but also the global environment - the very thing this legislation is attempting to help -as most countries do not have the environmental protections that we benefit from in the United States.

 

However, this legislation would not only hurt our economy by killing jobs, it would also hit the pocketbooks of every American family. Since virtually every American company will have to comply with these cap and tax requirements, their cost of doing business will increase, and these increased costs will be passed on to American consumers. In essence, the cap and tax proposal is an $846 billion national energy tax that will impact every American family. This new national energy tax will be paid by anyone who turns on a light switch or plugs in an appliance. It is estimated that cap and tax legislation will raise electricity rates 90% after adjusting for inflation, gas prices 74%, and natural gas prices 55%. A study that considered a similar proposal estimated that this type of legislation could cost every American household roughly $4,600.

 

Given the impact this legislation could have on daily life, many Members of Congress wanted a chance to improve the bill. However, committees with jurisdiction, including the Agriculture Committee on which I serve, were not allowed to mark-up the bill and make changes. Republicans and Democrats filed hundred of amendments to attempt to change the legislation and make it better for the American people. Of the over 200 amendments submitted to the Rules Committee only one was made in order. In the end this 1,200 page bill was brought to the floor with 300 pages of secret changes made at 3 o'clock in the morning. Members did not even have sufficient time to review the legislation before it was voted on.

 

H.R. 2454 has far-reaching consequences for every person and business in the country. We cannot ignore that America's economy is intrinsically linked to the availability and affordability of energy. During this economic slow-down we should be adopting policies that seek to rebuild our economy and create more jobs. We need reliable and affordable energy supplies. Unfortunately, cap and tax legislation would only further cripple our economy. Instead of government mandates and bureaucracy we should focus on policies that support technological advances and consumer choices. The bottom line is that we need policies which encourage investment in environmentally sound, cost-effective practices without stifling innovation and setting our economy further back.

 

H.R. 2454 was introduced on May 15, 2009.  On June 26, 2009, this legislation, which I voted against, passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 219-212, and was subsequently referred to the Senate. I have been speaking out against this legislation for months, and I have written a number of publications talking about the seriousness of this issue. My website also contains more details about the problems with this bill. You can access my website at http://www.house.gov/goodlatte.

 

While I strongly oppose H.R. 2454, I am pleased to be a cosponsor of comprehensive energy legislation, proposed by House Republicans, which represents a fiscally responsible approach to reducing our dangerous dependence on foreign energy, providing a cleaner environment and putting Americans to work.  H.R. 2846, the American Energy Act, was introduced by Minority Leader John Boehner and would encourage America to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become energy independent by allowing the development of all sources of energy within the U.S.  This "all-of-the-above" approach to energy production would remove the red tape and regulation that currently stifles the development of many sources of energy.  In addition, it would promote new, clean and renewable sources of energy such as nuclear, clean-coal-technology, wind and solar energy.  The legislation would also encourage greater efficiency and conservation by extending tax incentives for energy efficiency and rewarding the development of greater conservation techniques and new energy sources.

 

The American Energy Act was introduced on June 12, 2009.  As a cosponsor of this legislation, I will work hard to see it signed into law. 

 

I appreciate you taking the time to contact me.  I feel it is important to keep an open line of communication so I can best serve the interests of the 6th District.  I hope you will continue to be in touch as the 111th Congress debates issues of importance to the United States.

 

Again, thanks for the benefit of your comments.  Please feel free to contact me whenever I may be of assistance.


                                                                                Sincerely,                                                                                 Bob Goodlatte
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If any ones lives in the Virginia 5th district. This man needs to be voted OUT! He must not have taken all the "thousands, of calls, emails and faxes" to serious.

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July 16, 2009

 

 

Mrs. Tammy F. Miller

111 South Street, 3rd Floor

Farmville, VA 23901

 

Dear Mrs. Miller,

 

Thank you for contacting me to express your views on H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue. I believe this bill is crucial for strengthening our country and is the economic game-changer that our region of Southside and Central Virginia has needed. However, I recognize that decent Americans can fundamentally disagree, and I appreciate hearing from those who have deep concerns about this energy strategy.   

 

For decades we have known that our national security depends on addressing America's reliance on oil. For a generation, Americans have had no choice when they go to the gas pump but to send our hard-earned dollars overseas to petro-dictators who are enemies of our great nation. The ACES legislation shifts those dollars from our enemies to our industries back home, and it gives us a competitive advantage over China, India, and other competitors in the race towards the next generation of energy technology. For two generations, both parties have talked about energy independence; but when it came time to set our energy policy, government prioritized powerful oil interests and foreign despots ahead of American independence. That era is nearing an end.

 

When it comes to jobs, Southside and Central Virginia will be among the biggest regional winners of a new clean energy economy. Put simply, the energy we can produce in our region wins under this bill, and the energy our enemies produce loses. Biofuels, nuclear energy, and other alternative energy sources provide tremendous potential for job creation in our region. In my travels around the district, I have seen these opportunities firsthand: a landfill that could convert captured methane gas into energy; poultry and dairy farmers who can turn manure and waste into power; a closed-loop biodiesel system that grows, makes, and sells its own fuels. We can convert former tobacco farms into biomass producers and turn farm and municipal waste into power. This bill, particularly the elements negotiated by those of us from rural districts, will spur investments in the 5th District and ease our transition into the clean energy economy. When we go to the pump now, 93 cents of every dollar goes straight out of the community, and most goes to oil companies and foreign powers. We have the technology right in Southside to produce fuel that flips that equation - 93 cents of every dollar will stay right in the community. 

 

The American Clean Energy and Security Act represents a victory over the oil companies, whose interests have for too long held sway in America's energy policy. The bill empowers farmers and foresters to fully participate in a market-based carbon offset program, earning income for good stewardship of our natural resources. In these grim economic times, we cannot afford the wild price spikes of last summer. We now know that one of the biggest causes of that spike was oil speculators driving up the price by almost 33%. This bill helps to stabilize gas prices by closing the "Enron loophole" that has allowed energy companies to artificially drive up oil prices through speculation

 

On June 24, 2009, I voted with a bipartisan coalition in support of H.R. 2454 as a necessary step in declaring our energy independence and creating the energy jobs of the future right here at home. In the days leading up to this vote, I received thousands of calls, e-mails, and faxes from constituents like you, and your input helped shape the work I did to help improve the bill. Many constituents also voiced their concern that this lengthy bill was not given proper consideration. Congress carefully debated and developed this legislation over the six months before the vote and held over twenty public hearings to provide information on the legislation and how it will impact our economy; and my staff and I fully reviewed the legislation and all amendments in their entirety. In fact, the length of the bill reflects many pieces of the legislation that will be most beneficial to our area, including support for farmers, advanced manufacturing, border adjustments on imports from polluting nations, and consumer protections from speculators.

 

As this bill goes to the Senate, I am hopeful that additional improvements will be made, including the provision of more generous support for a resurgence of nuclear power production. I assure you that I will work to ensure that constituent voices are included in an open and transparent legislative process, and I hope that even those of you who disagreed with my vote will continue to participate in the dialogue as this legislation develops.

 

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact my office. To keep informed of the work I do, please visit my website at http://www.perriello.house.gov and sign up for my newsletter. If I may be of assistance on this or any other matter, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 


Sincerely,

Tom Perriello
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THIS IS WHAT GLENN NYE WROTE. HAVE TO GIVE THIS DEM SOME CREDIT. HE VOTED AGAINST IT!


July 14, 2009

 

 

Dear Mrs. Miller,

 

Thank you for contacting me in opposition to H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security (ACES) Act of 2009.  It is helpful to learn the views of my friends and neighbors in Tidewater, and I appreciate having your input.

 

You will be pleased to know I voted against H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, because we do not need another tax on American families during this time of economic hardship.  

 

The overall goal of the bill is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent of 2005 levels by 2020.  However, the crux of H.R. 2454 is supported by a Cap and Trade program that would equate to an almost trillion dollar tax increase.  Additionally, proponents of H.R. 2454 maintain that the bill will help pay off the national debt.  Paying off the debt is a top priority of mine; however, it must not be done overtime by efficiency savings and reducing government spending, not by increasing taxes.

 

I voted against the bill because I did not feel that raising taxes during a time of economic decline and financial hardship, faced by so many Virginia families, was a wise decision.  I am a strong proponent of finding renewable energy sources; however, I did not feel that H.R. 2454 was the best solution to achieve this goal.  As Congress considers future related legislation, I will make certain to factor your recommendations into the decisions I make.

 

Thank you again for sharing your views.  I am proud to serve Virginia's Second District, and I am committed to working hard for you.  If you would like more information about the issues I am working on in Congress, or if you would like to sign up to receive my monthly e-newsletter, I encourage you to visit my website at http://www.nye.house.gov.


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Glenn Nye
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I agree with ya'll Cap and trade is a tax and isn't going to help global warming, but it will reduce our deficit.
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Bob, Your article on Cap and Trade was right on!
 
Here's a simple video that explains how Democrats' Cap-and-Trade System (if passed in Senate) will be the most crushing tax increases on American consumers in the history of America:

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Cap-and-tax: Inhofe says it’s “dead in the water”
Inhofe thinks their will only be about 35 votes in the Senate for Cap and Tax. Hope he is right.

 
 
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June 30, 2009 Posted by John at 9:36 PM

...as we noted here and elsewhere. But maybe Americans aren't so dumb after all. Scott Rasmussen finds that by better than a two to one margin (42-19 percent), Americans think the Waxman-Markey bill will hurt rather than help the economy. So much for Obama's absurd claim that cap-and-trade is a "jobs bill."

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Is this news? Of course he didn't read it. Nobody did!


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Video: Energy Czar hasn’t read cap & tax, either
 
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Video: Energy Czar hasn’t read cap & tax, either
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/29/video-energy-czar-hasnt-read-cap-tax-either/

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thanks for the plug Joe! I do hope everyone reads it. It is an eye opener.
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Please read this story:

http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2009/06/cap-and-tax-how-big-brother-and-big-business-just-pulled-off-a-big-scam.html


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8 Republicans who voted for Cap and Trade

The following republicans voted FOR the largest tax bill ever passed by a session of Congress.

HR 2454 RECORDED VOTE 26-Jun-2009 7:17 PM
BILL TITLE: American Clean Energy and Security Act

Cap and Tr8tors - Website dedicated to the removal of office of the 8 Republicans who voted for the Cap and Trade bill.
How they voted across the board. - Official government website showing how they voted.

1) Click on their link.
2) Select the 'Contact' tab. Contact their local office as they are not in DC and home on vacation.

Mary Bono Mack R (CA)
Mike Castle R (DW)
Mark Steven Eirk R (IL)
Leonard Lance R (NJ)
Frank LoBiondo R (NJ)
John McHugh R (NY)
Dave Reichert R (WA)
Chris Smith R (NJ)

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I have to laugh... they must pass the copy and paste letter around to all of their offices because every time I have written to our govt, it's the same exact letter (basically) that I get in return.

And, I have friends, like you guys, and others in other states who get pretty much the same exact letter, but with a few differences to make it look like they thought it up themselves.

 
They must hand these things out at their meetings.

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Another letter I received!
 

June 26, 2009

Mrs. Tammy F. Miller

4115 Annandale Road, Suite 103

Annandale, VA 22003-2500

 

Dear Mrs. Miller,

 

Thank you for contacting me with respect to the H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act.  I appreciate the opportunity to hear your thoughts about this legislation.

 

H.R. 2454 is a complex piece of legislation because we confront a very complex problem.  We must restore economic growth at a time when banks are reluctant to lend money to small or large businesses.  We must reinvent our automotive industry after decades of reliance on the outmoded designs and polluting technologies, while increasing vehicle efficiency so that consumers are less vulnerable to high gas prices.  We must invest in more efficient building designs and appliances to save consumers money by reducing electric bills.  Simultaneously, we must reduce greenhouse gas pollution because inaction will impose severe costs on our generation and our children's generation, in the form of more severe weather and the infrastructure and agricultural financial losses associated with it.

 

The American Clean Energy and Security Act lays out a framework to accomplish these objectives.  First and most importantly, this bill is business-friendly.  In fact, it is based on a Blueprint for Legislative Action that was proposed by the United States Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), a group of some of America's largest businesses and environmental groups.  You can read more about USCAP at http://www.us-cap.org/.  These businesses support H.R. 2454 because it establishes a level playing field and clear rules within which businesses can make investments in all kinds of energy production, ranging from wind turbines to coal-fired power plants, and SUVs to electric cars.  Companies like Shell and BP have testified that this bill will create market conditions in which they can invest in cellulosic biofuels, reducing our dependence on foreign oil.  Companies like Duke Energy, which generates 75% of its electricity from coal, support the bill because it provides a business-friendly path to carbon reductions that includes investments in carbon capture and sequestration.  Companies like Exelon, which is America's largest generator of nuclear electricity, support the bill because it aims to develop a balanced portfolio of electricity generation.  Finally, groups like the National Venture Capital Association support the bill because it will unleash a wave of innovation in clean energy technologies.

 

I believe one of the most important qualities of the American Clean Energy and Security Act is that it will protect consumers' pocketbooks.  According to the EPA, energy costs for the average family will increase by no more than the value of a postage stamp per day, and this miniscule cost will be more than offset by cost savings resulting from more efficient appliances, lighting fixtures, and buildings.  According to the non-partisan American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy, net savings as a result of this bill will rise to $750 per family by 2020 and continue to go up thereafter.  Some have claimed that this bill would create a "tax."  Such claims are wholly inaccurate: this bill contains no new taxes or tax increases.  In fact, by statute this bill prohibits power companies (in the case of Northern Virginia either Dominion or the Northern Virginia Electric Cooperative) from raising utility bills to pay for the value of allowances distributed under H.R. 2454.  Moreover, this bill devotes allowance values to oil refineries to prevent spikes in gas prices.

 

Finally, this bill not only protects American jobs but creates strong incentives to create new clean energy jobs.  First, it allocates billions of dollars of allowance value to protect energy-intensive, trade-sensitive industries like steel, cement, and aluminum.  That is why companies like Alcoa and unions like the U.S. Steelworkers support this bill.  Second, it creates new appliance and lighting standards that benefit American products.  Congress wrote this bill in coordination with the National Electric Manufacturers Association (NEMA).  Today, American appliances, electronics, and lighting devices are generally much more efficient than imports from China and elsewhere.  By setting high efficiency standards, this bill will increase demand for these American-made products.. 

 

In conclusion, I am confident that this bill will create clean energy jobs, save consumers money, and protect the environment for our children and grandchildren's future.  As the economic situation we now face demonstrates, clinging to old technologies does not produce jobs or growth.  Rather, we must invest in innovation.  Those investments will not only protect our environment but also restore our economic growth. 

 

Once again, thank you for expressing your concern on this very important issue.  I appreciate hearing from you.  For more information on my views on other issues, please feel free to visit my website at http://connolly.house.gov. I also encourage you to visit the website to sign up for my e-newsletter. 


Sincerely,

Gerald E. Connolly
Member of Congress
11th District, Virginia
 

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 This was Webb's response back to my email!


June 25, 2009
 
Mrs.  Tammy Miller
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Chesapeake, VA  23320
 
Dear Tammy:
 
            Thank you for contacting my office with your concerns regarding climate change and legislative proposals for addressing it.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your views with me.
 
Legislation to address climate change has potentially large repercussions for our economy, and as such, it deserves to be fully vetted and debated.  Some of the current proposed mechanisms to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, including cap and trade, suffer from inefficiency, potentially high consumer costs, and would require excessively large bureaucracies to administer.  These concerns should be addressed prior to the enactment of cap and trade legislation.
 
The centerpiece of any climate policy must encourage the development of clean energy sources and carbon-mitigating technologies.  We should explore mechanisms to combat global climate change that will incentivize factory owners, manufacturers, and consumers to become more energy efficient.  We should also fund research and development for technologies that will enable clean use of this country’s vast fossil fuel resources.
 
Climate policy must also be fair.  This problem is global, and a comprehensive solution must include all major emitters.  Whatever climate policy we pursue, it should not undercut and displace American workers in the global marketplace.  Here at home, we must ensure that the policy is fair across all regions of this nation, does not disadvantage the citizens of one state against another, and does not become a regressive tax on those facing economic hardship.
 
As the U.S. Senate considers various proposals, I believe strongly that these principles can be applied in a way that preserves our environment while simultaneously fostering jobs and economic growth.  Please be assured that my staff and I will keep your views in mind.  Thank you for your correspondence on this issue of national and global importance.  Please do not hesitate to contact me and my staff in the future. 
 
I would also invite you to visit my website at http://www.webb.senate.gov for regular updates about my activities and positions on matters that are important to Virginia and our nation.
 
Thank you once again for contacting my office. 
 
                                                                        Sincerely,
 
                                                                        Jim Webb
                                                                        United States Senator
 

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I hope everyone has called their congressmen about the largest tax on Americans ever! This bill will reduce you to slavery! WAKE UP AMERICA!

The Cap and Tax Fiction: ON EVERYBODY!



Dems unsure enough votes for passage...

1,201 pages...

Will Congress Read Before Voting?



IT's not to late CALL!!!!!!


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