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Your right Bob, Mr. Armstrong wrote the definitive booklet on the subject of God's dietary plan for all of mankind. If we obey the health laws of the Bible and not just the spiritual laws, we will be blessed with a long, healthy and happy life.

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The absolute best article that I have ever read was written 50 years ago by Hebert W. Armstrong:

here is the link:

http://www.cog-ff.com/site/cog_archives/booklets/Is%20All%20Animal%20Flesh%20Good%20Food.htm

This part of my faith that I came to 30 years ago last month was hard for me to follow. I loved Ham and Cheese "grinders" and especially Italian sausage. In fact I ate it every morning at the Windmill Diner (where I first met Tammy, who worked there). The other food that was probably my all time favorite was king crab! So when I realized that God existed, His laws still existed and that I should give these things up, I was pretty much depressed over the fact. 30 years ago December 17-21 (don't remember the exact date) I gave it all up cold turkey with a promise to God that I would obey Him always in all things. Do I still crave those foods? Mostly not, I eat turkey Italian sausage and turkey and cheese sandwiches, but sometimes I long for king crab! God knows there are always temptations in us and forgives us for our longings and weaknesses, but I have managed it for 30 years. No pork, no shellfish, just God's allowed foods for me!

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This thread has peaked my curiosity. I am going to revisit the above info and scripture and maybe talk to my Pastor.  If that was the OP's intent then IT WORKED!

I can tell you by experience, unless you have an open-minded pastor, your research may fall on deaf ears. I came to my pastor about this and other things a long time ago, and he pretty much blew me off, saying, "this is how it has been taught through out my families for generations (all of the males in his entire family for generations were pastors or ministers). If this happens to you, don't get frustrated and think that what he says is necessarily truth. If the Word clearly indicates what is truth and it goes against the teachings of your church, my best advice is to go with the Teachings of God first, man second (if at all). Let God talk to your heart, and follow that.


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This thread has peaked my curiosity. I am going to revisit the above info and scripture and maybe talk to my Pastor.  If that was the OP's intent then IT WORKED!

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Has anyone read the 'The Bible Cure'  by Reginald B. Cherry? In his private practice, physician Reginald Cherry, M.D., has seen The Bible Cure miraculously heal people with allergies, high blood pressure, diabetes, fatigue, genetic defects, arthritis, even heart disease and cancer. In his book, he deciphers passages from ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew Bibles, explaining how these sacred texts anticipate many of the same findings of today's cutting-edge medical research. Filled with powerful testimonies and sage advice.

take a look at this link, it has changed my life:

http://www.google.com/books?id=nXaH6FtiZFoC&printsec=frontcover




I have this book, it is very good.

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Has anyone read the 'The Bible Cure'  by Reginald B. Cherry? In his private practice, physician Reginald Cherry, M.D., has seen The Bible Cure miraculously heal people with allergies, high blood pressure, diabetes, fatigue, genetic defects, arthritis, even heart disease and cancer. In his book, he deciphers passages from ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew Bibles, explaining how these sacred texts anticipate many of the same findings of today's cutting-edge medical research. Filled with powerful testimonies and sage advice.

take a look at this link, it has changed my life:

http://www.google.com/books?id=nXaH6FtiZFoC&printsec=frontcover



I haven't read his book yet, but I am in the process of reading Jordan Rubin's, "The Maker's Diet". Jordan and I share the same disease called Crohn's-Colitis. He does the same thing, following the diet given by God. And it pretty much has him in complete remission, something my doctors and over $250,000+ worth of meds over 4 years can't do for me.

I started by eliminating the things I can do easily...no pork or shell fish. I have also started eating more fish with 'scales and fins', and trying to eat all organically. The organic part is hard to do, as it can sometimes cost a great deal more, but I have found that it is worth it. For one, organic bananas last up to a week longer than non-organic (figure that one out!). And, even though my Crohn's isn't anywhere near remission yet, I pretty much over all feel much better with the rest of my body. I don't have as much fatigue, and my mind seems clearer, my knees and elbows don't hurt, and the best thing...I have lost 8 pounds! I am hoping that in time the Crohn's will go into permanent remission. That may take time, as my body has 40 yrs worth of crappy foods loaded with junk my body doesn't need to get rid of. But I have faith that the Creator knew what He was doing long before I did!

Next step is distilled water. I have found that it can purify your body, keeping away the chlorine and fluoride and all of the other poisons in the water today. There is a ton of junk in our drinking water, even bottled water. It also has the power to rid our bodies of pollutants, kidney stones, gall stones, cleanse the liver, etc. So, that's our next step, distilled water in bottles that don't leak BPA (big-time poison!) into the water. Besides, distilled water is about as pure as you can get, and after all, that's what God originally intended.

Thanks for the link... I will check it out. I find it amazing that more people are falling back to the ways that God intended in the first place. Either that, or it just took me this long to figure out what everyone else already knew! lol

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Has anyone read the 'The Bible Cure'  by Reginald B. Cherry? In his private practice, physician Reginald Cherry, M.D., has seen The Bible Cure miraculously heal people with allergies, high blood pressure, diabetes, fatigue, genetic defects, arthritis, even heart disease and cancer. In his book, he deciphers passages from ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew Bibles, explaining how these sacred texts anticipate many of the same findings of today's cutting-edge medical research. Filled with powerful testimonies and sage advice.

take a look at this link, it has changed my life:

http://www.google.com/books?id=nXaH6FtiZFoC&printsec=frontcover



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Chris, that is incorrect.  The food may be safer to eat so to speak, but that does NOT mean that we can eat them by Gods laws. Does God need man to make food all of a sudden clean? No, his laws are his laws and they change NOT, says the Bible.
 
I had a conversation with a Jewish girl recently who also believed that God said not to eat pork because it is unhealthy for you, which leads me to believe many Jews think this.  I answered her back with this question: what was unhealthy on the tree of knowledge to NOT eat?  She had no answer and said that it then made sense.  It's very simple, God says not to eat it, because he said not to. We don't need to try and rationalize why we should not eat it when it's so simple.  It says what we can and can't eat. It is explained in detail what we can and can't eat. The pig is said not to even touch it, not only not eat it. I would assume that means don't have it as a pet either. 
 
Remember in the Bible when it talks about the demons asking Jesus to be allowed to go into a local Farmers pig heard? Then they jumped off the cliff and committed suicide. The farmer was not happy about that.
 
Good point about Noah, he knew the laws and took 7 pairs (total of 14) of clean animals.


There are laws that I don't follow that I know exist, but I don't say they don't exist just because I don't obey them. My one example, but not limited to,  would be the clothing and thread mixture. I try but I know I don't follow it correctly.

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forgive me but I think the Bible outlawed those foods that were unsafe to eat and that is why they are listed and that today, these foods have been made safe and so it is OK to eat them. We use modern methods to raise pork and other foods that now make them safe to eat.



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You are assuming that God didn't know that modern science would make pork and shellfish OK to eat because Bob is right about Isiah condemning the eating of this food and almost all Bible studies say that the last chapter of Isiah is looking beyond the time of Christ's return. God knows the future. I am still not sure if this was a law that only applied to Jews or to gentiles as well however. I have been reading the links Bob sent me and I suggest that it does apply even to the gentile because Noah knew what clean and unclean was.


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I believe you are correct ChrisB because Noah wasn't a Jew but a 'gentile' (only because the Jewish nation was not around yet).

One thing Bob and Joe told me was that the laws, no matter how you look at them are God's Laws, not necessarily the laws just for the Israelites/Jews.

 
Going one step further on that...when we come to Christ in faith and belief, we are told we are 'grafted' into the family of Christ and adopted joint-heirs of the Kingdom. Christ was born into a Jewish family, and His 'blood lines' stem all the way back (as do most of ours) to Jacob, therefore, we should also be participants of the Jewish law. Just as a child who is adopted into another ethnic family, even though they don't necessarily forget their heritage, they do become enveloped into the new family's heritage, participating in their customs.
 
I cannot say enough how hard it is to accept something that seems totally opposite of what we have learned in being a Christian. I was under so many different understandings, but none of them made much sense when I read the Word of God and studied it. Little by little, I am learning, and trying to change my life to that which shows my obediance for the Lord. Little steps become bigger and bigger. It's certainly not easy, but much more rewarding!!



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forgive me but I think the Bible outlawed those foods that were unsafe to eat and that is why they are listed and that today, these foods have been made safe and so it is OK to eat them. We use modern methods to raise pork and other foods that now make them safe to eat.



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You are assuming that God didn't know that modern science would make pork and shellfish OK to eat because Bob is right about Isiah condemning the eating of this food and almost all Bible studies say that the last chapter of Isiah is looking beyond the time of Christ's return. God knows the future. I am still not sure if this was a law that only applied to Jews or to gentiles as well however. I have been reading the links Bob sent me and I suggest that it does apply even to the gentile because Noah knew what clean and unclean was.

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I read a study where some college took pork meat raised on a clean organic farm (if I can find the article I will link it). What they did was take the pork meat and boil it for a long period of time over high heat (above what we would use to boil things at home).

They then took that same meat and looked at it microscopically and found that there were still live parasites wriggling around in the meat!  That alone was enough to make me abstain without God's word!! I also went to a pig farm a long time ago where they do their own butchering, and I will tell you that no matter how clean the farmer keeps the farm, the pigs do not. What I saw was horrible... gross... and foul. (Even that wasn't enough to keep me from eating it though!!) It wasn't until I was ready to accept the things God's word says that I finally quit eating it.

I for one know how hard this study was/is. I thought Jesus really did away with the Laws of the OT... except for the ones that He discussed. But some of the laws that He didn't outright discuss are Statutes that God (Jesus!) Himself deemed as being instituted forever. Since it was Jesus who implemented these OT laws and He said they would be instituted forever... He would be making Himself out to be a liar if He actually made them void when He became flesh. And that doesn't quite sit right with me.

I don't wish to change anyone's belief either. That is not my intent. It is a choice, and like Bob said, Jesus will see our hearts. For my family, based on the things I have read not just in the Bible, but also about pork/shell fish, like Bob and his family, we will abstain (and hopefully be healthier for it).

Blessings!

 

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forgive me but I think the Bible outlawed those foods that were unsafe to eat and that is why they are listed and that today, these foods have been made safe and so it is OK to eat them. We use modern methods to raise pork and other foods that now make them safe to eat.

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This thing about food has really bothered me, so I have been researching it for the past two weeks. I go to a church that has one of the best Preacher / Teachers around. We have been for the last year going thru the Bible and still have at least another year left. I went back and checked some of the questions and notes and I believe I will continue to eat pork / shrimp (we normally have a Bar B Que around the fall of each year) for the following reasons:
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Acts 10: 9-16
2= Col 2:16
3= 1 Timothy 4:1-5
4= Matthew 15:11
5= Romans 14: 14-21
I do not wish to extend on anyone's beliefs or faith, but I believe if we are going to follow the New Testament and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, we must know what he has said about clean and unclean animals.

Thanks for your time and have a Blessed Day.





That's your right to decide for yourself! I have made the opposite choice because of my studies, God sees the heart and that is what matters the most.

Acts 10: 9-16: It is obvious to me that the message is not to call PEOPLE unclean. Notice that Peter says that he has NEVER eaten an unclean thing.

Col 2:16: The word meat means FOOD! Look for yourself!
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Col&c=2&v=16&t=KJV#conc/16

1 Timothy 4:1-5 same applies notice the NIV version: 1Ti 4:3                 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Matthew 15:11 Again, it is obvious to me that what Jesus is speaking about is WORDS not food. He is giving an example using food. Did Jesus eat pork? Obviously NO, Peter said that he never did, three years or more after Jesus said this!

Now, does God change? Look it up in the Bible. Why does God call eating pork an abomination in the last chapter of Isiah which takes place after the return of Christ? What in pork changed since God called it an abomination? If nothing physically changed in shellfish or pork, then God changed! What else did he change? "Think not that I came to destroy the Law," said Jesus. So I came to the conclusion that he didn't come to change the Law!

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This thing about food has really bothered me, so I have been researching it for the past two weeks. I go to a church that has one of the best Preacher / Teachers around. We have been for the last year going thru the Bible and still have at least another year left. I went back and checked some of the questions and notes and I believe I will continue to eat pork / shrimp (we normally have a Bar B Que around the fall of each year) for the following reasons:
1= Acts 10: 9-16
2= Col 2:16
3= 1 Timothy 4:1-5
4= Matthew 15:11
5= Romans 14: 14-21
I do not wish to extend on anyone's beliefs or faith, but I believe if we are going to follow the New Testament and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, we must know what he has said about clean and unclean animals.

Thanks for your time and have a Blessed Day.

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I used to be able to find artificial crab without crab in it, I can't anymore!
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One thing I have noticed is that I didn't realize just how much pork we ate! It's in a lot of foods, and you wouldn't even know it was there until you actually tasted it!

I went to a salad bar...and found myself going to grab the chopped ham and bacon bits to put on my salad. I stopped though. But I did grab some broccoli salad...and guess what? I ate one bite, realized there was bacon in it and got all bummed out (I LOVE broccoli salad). But I stopped eatting it and happily ate the rest of my meal.

 
Bacon and sausage. I do miss them but I know God will reward me later on for my obediance. It is very difficult because much of any culture's traditions focuses on food. And, well, then you have people who say, "Who gets sick from pork nowadays?! Surely God will ok since we seldom get sick from it"...but they don't realize the long-term affects of it.
 
I don't know, but I certainly feel better emotionally when I abstain from it. Ohh king crab....had to make me hungry!

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The absolute best article that I have ever read was written 50 years ago by Hebert W. Armstrong:

here is the link:

http://www.cog-ff.com/site/cog_archives/booklets/Is%20All%20Animal%20Flesh%20Good%20Food.htm

This part of my faith that I came to 30 years ago last month was hard for me to follow. I loved Ham and Cheese "grinders" and especially Italian sausage. In fact I ate it every morning at the Windmill Diner (where I first met Tammy, who worked there). The other food that was probably my all time favorite was king crab! So when I realized that God existed, His laws still existed and that I should give these things up, I was pretty much depressed over the fact. 30 years ago December 17-21 (don't remember the exact date) I gave it all up cold turkey with a promise to God that I would obey Him always in all things. Do I still crave those foods? Mostly not, I eat turkey Italian sausage and turkey and cheese sandwiches, but sometimes I long for king crab! God knows there are always temptations in us and forgives us for our longings and weaknesses, but I have managed it for 30 years. No pork, no shellfish, just God's allowed foods for me!

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I love reading their things! They put it into a great perspective. And again, only use Bible verses to back up what they are saying.

For a long time, well, since I came to Christ, I thought we were under some 'new law' or that Christ didn't necessarily abolish the Old Law, but changed it in some way. But it never sat too well with me, and eventually, I became quite curious about it. And lo and behold, after reading Shocked by the Bible, I understood why I was so confused.

Christ said He didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. When I ask those who told me that we are no longer held to the law why...their only reason was because "Christ fulfilled it". There was never any more details other than that. But the more I studied, the more I understood what that verse really meant. Christ fulfilled the 'death sentence' of it for me, because I am human and thus cannot abide in the law for salvation. I was born a sinner...therefore, unlike Christ, I cannot live in the law perfectly. That beginning sin is always with me....until I come to Christ. When I then come to Christ in faith and love, Christ takes on that sin for me, and with that, I receive the greatest gift of all...ever... eternal life. That is what He fulfilled...the penalty payment.

 
Following the Laws, is difficult. Wiping out all I have learned about Christianity has been very difficult. But I can also feel a new sense of me, a new sense of God, and a new relationship with Him that I didn't have before. It is amazing that God gives us the information He knows we can handle at the right time. He knew in the beginning of my "new found Christianity" I was unable to start right off the cuff and live the laws, and all that other stuff. So He started me off slowly, until I built up my relationship with Him. And I have noticed the closer I get to Him, the more He allows me to learn...because I am so much more  willing to do as He shows me, where as I may have balked at it in the beginning.

It's amazing to see how He works through us, isn't it???????


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Very Very Good Reading.

http://www.ucg.org/booklets/CU/

Thanks for your time and have a Blessed Day..

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