BobBarney
The Plain Truth about concerning HELL
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formerWWCGmember
A MUST READ!
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ThePlainTruth
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A person who studies the bible, holds to many truths, but denies what the bible says about hell is lacking understanding in what it takes for some people who are in bondage to sin and serving the devil to repent and get free from that sin.


For many very bad and evil people (we call them narcissists ) the only hope they have in getting the will and power to repent and get free from the many demons that drive them, is the threat of hell. 

Consequently those who purposely study the Word of God and yet twist and pervert what they do not like and teach other their false doctrine, leading those who need the understanding of hell the most to not believe in it, will in fact go to that very place themselves.

True and faithful followers and disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ accept all the truth of scripture especially any part they do not like or would not personally agree with. Hence one of the main reasons we do not see the promises of Christ in John 13:32- chapter 17, (Jesus last teaching before being killed) coming to pass, such as: And he who believes on me the works that I do he shall do also and greater than these shall he do because I go unto my father and whatsoever you shall ask in my name I will do it, if you ask anything in my name I will do it."

THE REASON we have not seen this now for 2000 years, is because of all the lies we have been either led to  believe or makeup ourselves. For to believe in him, or to be in him, or to be in his name which is to ask in his name, means that every single things you believe and confess or speak with your mouth is the truth of what he taught with nothing added and nothing taken away. AND.....you are keeping his commandments meaning all his sayings beginning with what he taught in Matthew 5-7 his first teaching.

Jesus taught that God desired a people that would worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus said his words WERE SPIRIT and they were LIFE. He said unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you have no LIFE in you. Many of his disciples thought he meant his literal flesh and blood. Later disciples came to be taught and to think this meant to eat a bit of bread and drink wine together. BUT HE SPECIFICALLY STATED, that he did not mean literal flesh or even bread but his WORDS.

The true "communion" of the body of Christ is when believers in him come together to eat and drink his WORDS. And they are ALL ALLOWED TO BOTH GIVE AND RECEIVE. Allowing someone else to GIVE is as much a part of giving as giving yourself. And in this case we are speaking about allowing others to GIVE THE WORDS OF GOD, that is to speak his words aloud to you and in turn if God inspires something in your spirit, for you to speak to them. This was the ECCLESIA or the "assembly of free and EQUAL men" that Christ was to build. Not like a "church" today where you have a hypocrite on a stage putting on a performance and the congregation (audience) is not allow to speak and is in most cases actually paying for the performance.

Hence why Paul stated to the Corinthians when describing what an assembly was supposed to be like in his first letter to them, when he said things like; "For you MAY ALL PROPHESY, one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted." They were all taught how to speak in the spirit of God and the assembly was a place of learning to do this, to where they had the words of Christ in them. So called rulers,  elders, bishops, deacons, were not the heads or in charge of the assemblies, but only there to be examples, and to keep civil order so that ALL believers had the chance to speak.

Prophets wives were to keep silent but women prophesied in the assembly. Prophets wives were to keep  silent and if they had questions as their husbands at home, due to the fact that the assemblies were as I said "assembly of FREE AND EQUAL men", this includes women for the most part since there is no male or female in Christ Jesus. Paul said in regards to everyone having the opportunity to speak and share the word, that if anything was revealed to another let the first hold his peace. There were always those who wanted to have the preeminence over others, those who wanted more time speaking than was there right to have, and hence they would covenant with their wives for the wife to ask a predetermined question, so that it would look like the so called prophet was just answering a question and not in truth vaunting himself and taking up more time for himself in speaking in front of the assembly. Hence why Paul said: "And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home.

Again women like everyone else could "prophesy". But they were not to take over the assemblies by asking questions, nor were they to userp authority over men and be teachers. However when a person prophesies it is not the person who is speaking but God speaking in them. And the manifestation of the spirit they were to desire the most was prophesy.

God bring the day when we will understand the fullness of all these teachings once again and walk in them and truly learn what it means to be IN Christ, to be in his word and have his words abiding in us to the place where we keep his commandments, and he is allowed to manifest himself to us, so that from that point on whatsoever we ask in his name that will he do that the father may be glorified in the son. For the whole creation waits for this manifestation of the sons of God.

Blessed Regards
Linda Harris
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BobBarney
Thanks for reading, however take a look at  Mark 9:43again.....New King James Version (NKJV)

43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

Where do you read that going into the hellfire means you will suffer forever?  If I have a fiery furnace, that burns day and night, and I throw wood into that hot fire, does that imply that the wood burns forever? No, the wood burns up, but the fire is forever.  Now read this verse:
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (fire).







Anything more clearer than that? God can destroy your soul!  man can't, but God can, and will to all those who refuse to repent in this age or the age to come at judgement day.


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I came across your website a few weeks ago and I have enjoyed many of your Bible studies. You have cleared up some questions that I have had for a long time, but some of your teachings frustrate me because they are in obvious error. I don’t understand how a Bible teacher like you can know so much about the Bible and overlook the plain truth.

For example, the Bible clearly teaches that sinners will burn in Hell for eternity. This issue is so simple that it can be summed up in one sentence: Everybody has an eternal destiny – eternal life in Heaven with Jesus or burning in eternal Hell with the devil. Haven’t you read Mark 9:43 and other verses that say the fires of Hell will never quit burning? If you are going to teach the Bible, why don’t you teach what it says?

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Allison

I came across your website a few weeks ago and I have enjoyed many of your Bible studies. You have cleared up some questions that I have had for a long time, but some of your teachings frustrate me because they are in obvious error. I don’t understand how a Bible teacher like you can know so much about the Bible and overlook the plain truth.

For example, the Bible clearly teaches that sinners will burn in Hell for eternity. This issue is so simple that it can be summed up in one sentence: Everybody has an eternal destiny – eternal life in Heaven with Jesus or burning in eternal Hell with the devil. Haven’t you read Mark 9:43 and other verses that say the fires of Hell will never quit burning? If you are going to teach the Bible, why don’t you teach what it says?

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BobBarney
 
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Eternal burning hell? How merciful is your God?                                    
From the very beginning of human history, as recorded in the Bible, humanity was instructed by God, their creator, that if they disobey Him, they would die. That death was clearly a separation from God. As the record goes, God's archenemy, Satan, counteracted God's instructions by telling the first human beings that God was a liar. In fact, he not only told them that they would live forever; but that they would in effect become like God if they disobeyed Him.
 
It was the first and most enduring lie ever told. Down through the ages unto this day, men continue to believe what the devil said rather than what God, their creator admonished. Adding insult to injury, man has also concocted the idea that when man dies, if he is a sinner, he will burn forever, and forever, and forever, throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. 
 
Imagine being the worst person that has ever lived then died at the age of sixty years old. Now imagine this: the God who created you determines to punish you by burning you in an everlasting flame which does not consume you but rather keeps you in a state of never-ending anguish and agony. How merciful is that god? one may ask. 
Unfortunately, this is the God that the majority of humanity, particularly Christians who claim that God is love, believe in.  But many are beginning to question and challenge that notion of a loving God. Columnist Mark Oppenheimer of the New York Timesdiscusses the issue.
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