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BobBarney

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The idea that one can be saved, then decide that it would be OK to murder, steal, cheat and even blaspheme God and still be saved is almost ludicrous to me! Again the problem that I see most have is that they refuse to believe in the entire Bible! The Law, The Prophets and the writings still apply!

ACTS: 17:11 --These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.                         received the word with all readiness of mind, .......

What scriptures were the people searching? The New Testament? It didn't even exist! There is NOTHING new in the New Testament that isn't found in the so-called OLD Testament!
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This must be why we are called to rebuke sins so the righteous can remain righteous.

I would say then, given those verses, that once saved always saved isn't exactly true doctrine. However, would the mere fact that those verses are found before Christ took on our sins change things in the NT?


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This same consequence of disobedience for the righteous is repeated later by the prophet Ezekiel:
        Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. (Ezek 3:20)
But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. (Ezek 18:24)
        If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. (Ezek 18:26)
       
If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. (Ezek 33:13)
        If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it. (Ezek 33:18)
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HappyMammaof2

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Believe me, the last thing I want to do is call Jesus a liar!
 
In Hebrews tho, there are a few verses that kind of make one think that Salvation could in theory be lost. Hebrews 6:4-6 (emphasis mine)
 
For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

I would think that by reading this verse, it is possible to lose it (fall away from it) and is impossible to 'renew it again'...because then Christ would have to die again.

I agree that there are some who say they believe but do nothing to back it up. Those people make me wonder about their faith, because they lack the 'change' that is made in most people when they come to Christ. But I also know quite a few people who were so on fire for the Lord, inside and out, but something clicked in them and they departed from the faith with unbelief. I couldn't say that they ever weren't God's when they were serving Him, yet I don't know. I am also aware that only God knows.

Yet...there is that passage that says once you are in His hands, no man can take you away from Him. But it doesn't say that God couldn't take you away from them. After all, it is He who brings you to Christ in the first place, and it is He who predestined all things. It is He who created beings to serve His greater purpose (the pharoh in Romans), so why couldn't He also allow someone to be given the gift of salvation, yet take it away as a 'warning' or sign for others? Could satan be that clever as to make a person 'think' he is on fire for God and then make it look as if that person decided against it after all?

So much to understand! But, I know all things are possible with God!

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Hi Donna; This is a subject we discuss a lot in our men's Sunday school class. To me to say that you can loose your salvation is like calling Jesus a liar, so I guess the next thing to look at is someone's accepting Christ as their savior. Are they really accepting Christ as their savior? Someone that is truly saved will be shown by their works. To me this mean that people will see a difference in that person. A person saved can also backslid and God says he will bring them back.
I used to go to prison ministry for our church and the first thing I would tell someone interested in being saved was they were taking on a lot more than just lip talk. I also tell people that it is like everyone has 2 dogs in them, a good & loving dog and a mean disgusting dog (a sermon I heard once) and the way a person acts in their daily living is dependant upon which dog is being feed the most.

Thanks Donna for the question and have a Blessed Day.

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While discussing salvation with a friend of mine, we came across the idea that maybe salvation isn't necessarily something one can keep. There are many out there that claim Christ, may have even burned on fire for Him in the beginning, but have completely fallen into sin since then. Or those that claim Christ, yet never really change their lives or seldom pick up a Bible. I still have no clue, but it is something I am going to do further study on. I just want to get other's views so I kind of know where in the Bible to start my quest.
 
Someone also told me once that salvation is like a gift of a plant. They said, someone can give you a plant for a gift. And although they don't want it back, they expect certain things of you to keep the plant healthy. If you continue to water it, give it the right sunlight and love it will thrive. Yet if you ignore it, forget about it, it will perish. Even if your intentions were good and you started out loving it and taking care of it, but eventually you start to forget about it more and more, it will someday shrivel up and die...never to be brought back again.

Salvation, is like that plant. It is freely given, but there are expectations attached to it. You must continually feed your faith (read the Word, pray, do good things) or else your faith will die and you may be too late to get it back.

So..what does everyone think???


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“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” ~ Patrick Henry [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
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