Frank, as you know, I have always said that only people that have a right to follow Christmas, Easter or Sunday are Catholics, because they are honest about how they got those holidays! However as for the the idea of of the primacy of Peter:
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:13-19).
This sounds pretty convincing! However have you ever read just 4 lines down from that?
| ||But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men." |
Just after he gives him the primacy, he then goes on and calls him Satan!
When Jesus established His true church, did He intend to relinquish control of it—giving the total headship of the church into the hands of one of the apostles?
Let the Bible answer. Jesus said, "And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter [Greek: Petros, meaning a 'pebble' or a small 'rock'] and upon this rock [Greek: Petra, meaning a whole mass of rock, like a craggy cliff or mountain] I will build my church; and the gates of hell [Greek: 'hades,' meaning the grave] shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18).
Peter had two "nicknames," one in Greek and the other in Aramaic. Jesus supplied Peter this name when He said, "Thou art Peter" (using the Greek, "Petros") and said He would make Peter a "fisher of men." The other is "Cephas" (pronounced KE-fus), which is the Aramaic equivalent to "a stone."
The fact that Jesus called Peter a "little pebble," or a small "stone," did not indicate He was placing a TITLE on Peter's name. Names have meanings. Titles are added to names. If Peter had been given a "title," it would have been obvious, for Jesus would have called him "Peter Primus " or "Peter the First. "
Those who argue that Peter's name meant he had the "primacy" OVER the other apostles—that they had to be subject to him—are in error. Peter himself was to write that each minister—whether apostle, elder, or whatever—was to be "subject to the other"! (1 Peter 5:5).
This change of name is not uncommon, for God changed Abram to "Abraham," meaning a "father of many nations," Jacob to "Israel," Saul to "Paul," and so on.
Jesus said He would build His church "upon this ROCK"! Who did He mean?
When Jesus said, "Thou art Petros, and upon this ‘PETRA’ I will build my church, " He used, first, the masculine ending of the root Greek word which means "a rock" When He said "upon this rock" [Petra] I will build my church, He used the feminine, which has a different meaning.
Those who are familiar with the "romance" languages (based upon Latin, such as French and Spanish, etc.) know that articles, including physiological and topographical objects, have "masculine" and "feminine" gender. Thus, in the Spanish language, a "mountain" is "la montana." Our western state, in the United States, of "Montana" means, literally, "mountain."
The "a" on the end of "montana" demands a "la" (feminine) at the beginning of the phrase.
All objects, such as the house (la casa—feminine) or the automobile (el automobile—masculine), have feminine or masculine gender.
Jesus changed the gender of the root Greek word deliberately.
The first, the masculine petros, means "a rock, " but it means a much smaller rock, like a chunk of rock or stone taken from a much larger piece of rock. When He used the feminine gender in the second case, "PETRA," He meant the craggy side of a cliff, a great monolith, or a mountain of rock!
To what—or to whom—did He refer? Let the Bible answer!
Notice: "…And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of the spiritual ROCK that followed them: and that ROCK [Petra, in the Greek] WASCHRIST! (1 Corinthians 10:4).
This very important scripture refers directly to Jesus Christ, that member of the godhead who was continually with the Israelites during their wanderings in the wilderness. (Garner Ted Armstrong -- http://www.garnertedarmstrong.org )Notice the order in which the apostle Paul lists the "chiefest apostles" (remember, that is a plural term; there were several who were "chiefest"): "And when James, Cephas [Petros', Peter] and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas [who was also an apostle!] the right hands of fellowship; that we should go to the heathen, and they to the circumcision" (Galatians 2:9).
Also note that Paul even told Peter off! (Galatians 2:11-13)
One more point most always overlooked:
In Acts 13, Paul is speaking to Jews in Antioch. There were also gentiles listening to him. It was on the Sabbath day--- years after Christ went back to heaven. It makes sense, you preach to Jews on their day, right? Read this for yourself:
ACTS:42 As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath.
Why did the gentiles ask Paul to come back on the next Sabbath, why not on Sunday????? Ever wonder that????
FrankR wrote: I'll say it straight-out. I am a very devout Catholic and I believe it to be the true church of the Bible. I do not hold that Protestants are not Christians, because I think they are, but the Catholic Church is the church founded in Rome from the original true church. Anyone that studies any history knows that Sunday worship, Christmas, Easter, the Trinity and most Christian viewpoints have come from the Church in Rome and not from the Bible. The early church leaders were Jews and they followed the Jewish faith. Jesus gave Peter the role of the papacy and he was given the keys to the church. Whatever Peter pronounced was law. Later, each Pope sat in place of Peter and when he became Pope, then he had this power of Peter given to him by Christ. In Matthew 16:18, Jesus creates and builds His Church (not "churches") on Peter, the Rock. Notice also that even hell can't stop the everlasting existence of His Church.
"And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. "
In the following verse 19, Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom.
"And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed, even in heaven.” In the Catholic Church this is called CATHOLIC BIBLE 101