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Passover is one of God's 7 Holy Days that will be commanded to be followed by God's people in the Millennium. The Worldwide Church of God, and many offshoots believe that Passover is part of the 4th Commandment concerning the Sabbath Day. The Passoveris a Sabbath Day, but it is my opinion not on the equality of the 7th Day Sabbath. There is no question that God commands us to keep the 7th Day Holy and the Sabbath Commandment, as with all of the other 10 Commandments are still in force today.

I, like the Armstrong's felt for the longest time that the Passover was a required Holy Day. I have over the years changed my view. Although, I feel it should be observed, and the early church including Paul observed it, I think that it is not commanded at this time for these reasons:

1) No uncircumcised male can eat the Passover or partake in it. Yet Acts 15 shows that not all Christians have to be circumcised now, but will again during the reign of Christ. Obviously, those uncircumcised Greeks under Paul did not follow the Passover - maybe the ceremony of breaking bread, but that is unclear to me.

2) The Passover's exact date has been lost. Our family follows a different calendar than do the Jews, or most of the churches of God that follows the Holy days. I think it is easily proven that the modern Jewish calendar is TOTALLY PAGAN! The fact that God does not spell out the exact date of Passover, as He does the Sabbath says much to me about this.

3) Lastly, there was a time AFTER MT. SINAI and the so-called establishment of the LAW (it really wasn't, it was merely the re-establishment of the never changing Law of God) there was a time when Passover was not observed! Read it in Joshua.
Joshua 5
Circumcision at Gilgal  

1 Now when all the Amorite kings west of the Jordan and all the Canaanite kings along the coast heard how the LORD had dried up the Jordan before the Israelites until we had crossed over, their hearts melted and they no longer had the courage to face the Israelites. 

 2 At that time the LORD said to Joshua, "Make flint knives and circumcise the Israelites again." 3 So Joshua made flint knives and circumcised the Israelites at Gibeath Haaraloth. [a]

 4 Now this is why he did so: All those who came out of Egypt—all the men of military age—died in the desert on the way after leaving Egypt. 5 All the people that came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the desert during the journey from Egypt had not. 6 The Israelites had moved about in the desert forty years until all the men who were of military age when they left Egypt had died, since they had not obeyed the LORD. For the LORD had sworn to them that they would not see the land that he had solemnly promised their fathers to give us, a land flowing with milk and honey. 7 So he raised up their sons in their place, and these were the ones Joshua circumcised. They were still uncircumcised because they had not been circumcised on the way. 8 And after the whole nation had been circumcised, they remained where they were in camp until they were healed. 

 9 Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Today I have rolled away the reproach of Egypt from you." So the place has been called Gilgal [b]to this day. 

 10 On the evening of the fourteenth day of the month, while camped at Gilgal on the plains of Jericho, the Israelites celebrated the Passover11 The day after the Passover, that very day, they ate some of the produce of the land: unleavened bread and roasted grain. 12 The manna stopped the day after [c] they ate this food from the land; there was no longer any manna for the Israelites, but that year they ate of the produce of Canaan.


So you can see that the New Testament church is really under the same law as the church while wandering in the dessert for 40 years! When we cross the river this time, at the return of Christ and enter the promised land (THE EARTH UNDER CHRIST IS THE PROMISED 'HEAVEN' of your Bible) or ETERNAL LIFE!

What we do:
If you decide to follow the Passover, the Bible shows that there are two types of observances! One can only take place at the Temple! The other, given in Exodus 12, is the one that a family follows when no Temple is present. Follow that one! Or do as Christ did. The Last Supper is a Passover Supper!

1) We buy our lamb and matzo's on the 10th of the month (Look at the New Calendar that we have here on the board, I will have it updated this week!)

2) During the daytime of the 14th (April 2) we take all yeast out of our home and our store and factory. We give all foods (including beer and liquor) to the poor or others. We now buy only kosher wine (because no added yeast is used) but for years just bought any wine.

3) At evening (sundown) of the 14th we roast a lamb and other clean meats over a fire (our grill) and either make matzos or buy them.

4) At supper we eat our meal, explaining the BOTH meanings of Passover, the Old Testament of the Egyptian Passover and how that symbolized Christ's Passover (the second type of Passover). In common is this theme. That God (and this God in Egypt was none other than Jesus Christ himself as LORD of the Old Testament) "passes over" our sins and places the blame on another (eventually it was HIM) and saves us from ourselves! Passover symbolizes the future tribulation that the Church will go through! There is no RAPTURE!!! That's Satan's deception. We will go through another Passover, just before Christ again returns to save us from the sin, typified as Egypt.

5) We eat Lamb, matzos, wine, radishes and salad. We also have potatoes, but that's not found in the Bible.

6) AFTER the meal. We do the breaking of the bread and drinking of the wine as a finishing touch to symbolize CHRIST! We pass a broken matzo to each member reminding them that it is the symbol of Christ body that was killed for us, and then the wine, which symbolizes His shed blood.

7) After dinner we watch a religious type movie, and/or read the Bible and discuss what it is the God wants us to do today.

Passover is not to be done as some traditional ritual! Spice it up from year to year. Make it different, and enjoyable!

We follow 7 days of eating matzo's and keeping leavening out of our diets and homes. (Leaven = Sin). Sin= The breaking of the 10 commandments 

Allow your celebration to evolve on its own. Remember, GOD WILL BE THERE with you. That makes it Holy! God will bless you even if you screw things up! GOD READS YOUR HEART and not your mistakes!

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The fact is that it was during this Feast week, that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. The single most important event in all of the history of the world!   The very idea that most Christians are unaware of this is sad indeed!
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What Does the Feast of Unleavened Bread Mean for Christians?

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Growing numbers of Christians around the world are discovering and celebrating the biblical festivals outlined in Leviticus 23. By looking at the symbolism associated with these days, they are coming to view them in light of the life and mission of Jesus Christ.

After all, Jesus Christ Himself commenced the acting out of the plan of salvation by becoming our sacrificial Passover lamb. As the apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:7, “For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (compare Isaiah 53:7-9; 1 Peter 1:18-19). Furthermore, Jesus started His Church on another of these festivals, the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2). He must have considered them important.

During the spring of the year (March-April in the northern hemisphere), immediately after Passover and before the Feast of Pentecost, falls another biblical feast—the seven-day Feast of Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:6-8; Exodus 12:17-18). Here we’ll take a brief look at the greatest event to have ever taken place during this feast—and what it means for Christians today.

The greatest among several great events

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This is the date when I believe Jesus followed the Passover, I have written many articles about it over the years. It's starts tonight at twilight on the 14th, and tomorrow on the 15th at dawn starts the Feast of Unleavened Bread..
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We are going to have our first Passover in Florida in 14 years! Looking forward to it.


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Good question, and anyone who does not follow the true calendar and the true morning day, can't answer it!!! You see the first day of unleavended bread IS the 14th AT EVENING! The day of the 14th is when the lamb is killed (starting at about 3PM-6PM). Here is the proof:
 
Exodus 12
6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night (not a new day!!!!) they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
 
18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.
 
 
So:
14th Day - get all yeast out of your house slay the lamb (Christ dies on this day but the Jews, following the WRONG CALENDAR, had the Passover that evening and the next day (the 15th)! Christ did not eat his Passover a day early!!!!!
 
15th The Feast of Unleavened Bread (daytime)
 
16th
 
17th   Christ rose from the DEAD at 6-8PM!!!  (on a Saturday Night).. The Jews fled through the RED SEA!!!
 
18th empty tomb
 
19th
 
20th
 
21st   Passover Ends AT EVENING
 
22nd  Feast of FirstFruits  - Christ enters Heavens, Jews reach Mt Sinai this is day 1 of counting 50 days to Pentecost
 
50 days after the 22nd = PENTECOST. Holy Spirit comes from Heaven / Moses gets the 10 commandments. The Holy Spirit IS THE LAW in spirit as the 10 commandments is the law in stone!!!!
 
 

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The Heston movie, "The Ten Commandments" was the first movie I watched after first coming to believe in the true God. It was Christmas Day (the last Christmas I have followed, and was miserable) all alone and the story moved me to tears. Garner Ted Armstrong told me only a week before when I visited him in Texas that "God was very tuff on those He loves" and I felt during that movie the struggle I would have to endure for the rest of my life. It's been a long, and very hard road- one that I would never ever regret! I am living today for the world tomorrow! Get the movie. It's great. Remember one thing Donna, when you feel the awesome rumble of God's voice, thundering those ten Commandments,uttering the words "I AM THAT I AM!" and His mighty hand against the Egyptians, that God, Yahweh, became the meek, humble Jesus Christ who was murdered and butchered for us all! :"Before Abraham was, I AM" said Jesus

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Thank you Tammy!! I am so thankful that I came in contact with you guys!!! Your words are helpful and insightful, and I know it's coming from God.
 
I am now looking more forward to the Passover than ever. I was going to get the 10 Commandments movie... and I was also going to read it to the kids because I don't think they will sit through an entire movie like that. But we will see!!!

Thanks again for all of your help. I was so worried about getting it right that maybe, a part of me, forgot what I was trying to get right and for what reason. Now I know what my heart feels, and I am sure we will have a great Passover!

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The Bible says yeast and leavening, so that's all we worry about.  That could be the case for the Jews and eggs, but they don't mix lots of things for koshering reasons which we don't follow. They're more ritualistic too.  Remember yeast equals sin.  But, do it as you think is right for your Family.  We are here to help you, not judge you.
 
We sometimes make our lamb in the oven and burn the fat drippings ( there a lot too) outside in our fire pit after cooking it. When cooking lamb on the grill it has to be done slow and on a low flame because there's so much fat on lamb it drips and makes a large fire which chars and burns the meat. I don't like lamb myself, but I do like the seasoned (boneless) leg of lamb only. We sometimes cook that and or chops. The whole Family other than me like lamb chops.
 
We also don't go outside after cooking and stay in that night. A good movie to watch that is the 10 commandments because it shows a passover celebration for those who wanted to be a part of it. Reading it from the Bible is good too.
 
Make the kids a part of this by having them help search the house and read labels for yeast and leavening. They will remember it all their lives if they do this each year.  I suggest you do this a few days in advance, or maybe a little at a time. Waiting until the last minute is hectic. Also start reading labels in the grocery store now so you don't bring things home that you will only need to get rid of if not used like spices and unsuspecting items. Especially if you are penny pinching at the grocery store like me.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks Tammy... You gave me some great ideas.
 
Out of curiosity however, I have read on most of the Passover Matzo sites that eggs in the matzo is a no-no during Passover because it helps in making it rise. This is why I said about not eating pasta, because it has eggs in it.
 
I will definitely check out the aisles in the local food stores today to see what I will be able to choose from. How long does matzo last typically?
 
And believe it or not, this is our first taste of lamb... so do you have any good grilling ideas??? You guys are such a big help!!!



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Donna, don't worry you don't have to give up pasta. It's only yeast and leavening. Look at all ingredients for those 2 words. Some cereals, spices, soups etc.  Fast food place's as well like Taco Bell. We look on-line at some menu's if we have to eat out. Most breading on fried chicken has one or the other, or both. Cookies, crackers. We eat most everything on matzos for that week and have matzos with all meals. Peanut butter and jelly on matzos, chicken salad, egg salad, whipped butter & honey all go well on a matzo. I used to put them in the kids lunch boxes.
 

There is a Manischewitz section at the grocery store that will have all kinds of Passover products. They are all blessed for Passover, which we are not concerned with, we just don't want the yeast.  Try to go before Passover for the matzos because they don't sell the egg & onion kind during Passover. The Jews don't consider them kosher to eat during Passover. I personally like them the best. They have Garlic and other flavors too, which has seeds.

 

http://www.manischewitz.com/products/index.php

 

Stay away from the Tam Tam crackers. They do have yeast in them. Also I give a link to Manischewitz products, but I will warn you they are over priced.

 
They have cakes, chocolate macaroons and deserts too so the kids might like the first experience.
 
One thing to remember, you will not get all yeast out of your house or mouth, no matter how hard you try. Every year we have found something that we over looked or ate by accident. We have concluded that it represents we still have sin in us that we have not removed. It's the effort in your heart that matters, and God can read that.

YEHUDA MATZO

Delicious matzo made in the holy land of Israel. Made in Jerusalem http://www6.ivenue.com/holonfoods/item89973.ctlg

 

Joe brought this matzo brand up from Florida last year and it’s the best we have ever had. They stay fresh much longer too. They are hard to find.

 

I'll add to this as I think of things.

Happy Passover to come April 2nd, and Happy New Year coming Saturday March 21st!

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Thank you Bob. It encourages me because sometimes I feel if I don't get it just right, well, it wont be worth doing. I have to remember that He knows my heart, and that's what's important.
 
I am excited because this is the first year that we will be celebrating. The kids are eager too, since big ol' mean mamma took away Christmas and Easter (for the most part). They are looking forward to a new celebration.
 
Thanks again. Now I will be off looking for Matzo, since I can't seem to get a recipe that agrees with any other recipes.
 
Out of curiosity, how does everyone survive without pasta for a week??? lol



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Thank you Bob. It encourages me because sometimes I feel if I don't get it just right, well, it wont be worth doing. I have to remember that He knows my heart, and that's what's important.
 
I am excited because this is the first year that we will be celebrating. The kids are eager too, since big ol' mean mamma took away Christmas and Easter (for the most part). They are looking forward to a new celebration.
 
Thanks again. Now I will be off looking for Matzo, since I can't seem to get a recipe that agrees with any other recipes.
 
Out of curiousity, how does everyone survive without pasta for a week??? lol

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I will try to address this on Saturday more, but basically we do follow Passover, but because there is not a Temple, I feel that the pre-temple Passover rules apply to those that want to follow it. Before the temple was built, the Passover was a family, rather than a church centered affair, where the father killed the lamb and observed the dinner with his family and maybe other poorer neighbors.  Passover was not followed during the 40 years of wandering in the desert and IS NOT (contrary to the Armstrong's and many other Sabbithtarians ) in force today because the New Testament church is really the same church as the Israelis wandering in the desert uncircumcised. I will explain all of that later this weekend and through the entire new Month and New Year which is coming on March 21st!  Passover is really the night of April 2 and the day of April 3. The Jews do not follow the correct day.... Just like the Christians don't follow the correct Sabbath!
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The more I study the Word of God, the more I see that we are indeed to follow the commands and laws of the Old Testament. The Apostles of the NT even suggest we should. And certainly, Jesus said the same when He said He did not come to abolish the Laws....
 
So I was wondering, those of you that do celebrate the Feasts, how do you celebrate Passover with your families? I am trying to not just study it according to the Bible, but also see what other's do so that I might be able to understand it according to how others feel about it.

Thanks so much!!!!



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